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Respecs should be credits, not Cryptic points

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited May 2010 in C-Store, ZEN, and Promotions
Let's face it, respecs in this game are a pure money-grab from Cryptic. For a game that's not even 6 months old, Cryptic is already pulling out all the money-grabs it can from respecs to friend rewards and we as the dumb fans will buy it. But there has to be a line, a give and take as it were. For a game where builds are nowhere near static, respecs should cost creds and not the money-grubbing Cryptic points. As a player, I find it offensive and insulting for a company to willfully do this. As a Star Trek fan and lover of this game. I've got no problem dishing out my 15 a month plus the odd few for special items, but to fleece your fans for what should be in-game is disgracefull and a put-off. How am I going to recommend this game when any move I make is going to cost X amount of dollars? Get the money you can, but be reasonable and give back to your fans in fair return. The SWG version of respecs would be well served here, and not this all out thievery done to us by Cryptic.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    they are credits, you can get them in game. When you get promoted, you get a free respec. You can also get it in the c-store
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The game gives you 5 Respecs as you level - at each Rank increase you can go back and change the lower Rank's skills. The game also gives some free Respecs. You can also use accumulated Merits for free Respecs. After all that, if you still need another Respec, well yes, you need to pay for it. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    The game gives you 5 Respecs as you level - at each Rank increase you can go back and change the lower Rank's skills. The game also gives some free Respecs. You can also use accumulated Merits for free Respecs. After all that, if you still need another Respec, well yes, you need to pay for it. :)

    right merits not credits =P. I just woke up, don't blame me XD
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Wait, we've had respecs for some time now, and there are people who STILL don't know you don't have to pay money to get them?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    /facepalm

    Well, someone hasn't read anything at all about this topic.

    I think the merit cost is tuned a bit high and I'd prefer a reduced merit cost for lesser changes but those opinions both relate to the fact that you actually can buy respecs with in-game resources.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    20k merits for a respec = blatant attempt to get people to just shell out for the C-store respec.

    respecs should be 5k merits MAX.

    godamn craptyk.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Wow, I'm kinda amazed at the responses here, makes me think Cryptic employees are posting. If you think it's kewl to spend an extra 15-30 a month on points then you go right ahead. Personally speaking, I've found that I want to change my build weekly to accomadate new weapons or new abilities, not to even mention if I want to change ships and BO's which could change whenever. Charging me as much as you can get out of me for what should be in-game is an insult. So if you're in favor of being charged for what should be a service, that makes you either a liar or stupid, and I'm beginning to think this game has a lot of each.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    boyam wrote:
    Wow, I'm kinda amazed at the responses here, makes me think Cryptic employees are posting. If you think it's kewl to spend an extra 15-30 a month on points then you go right ahead. Personally speaking, I've found that I want to change my build weekly to accomadate new weapons or new abilities, not to even mention if I want to change ships and BO's which could change whenever. Charging me as much as you can get out of me for what should be in-game is an insult. So if you're in favor of being charged for what should be a service, that makes you either a liar or stupid, and I'm beginning to think this game has a lot of each.

    You didn't actually read any of those responses, did you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    boyam wrote:
    Wow, I'm kinda amazed at the responses here, makes me think Cryptic employees are posting. If you think it's kewl to spend an extra 15-30 a month on points then you go right ahead. Personally speaking, I've found that I want to change my build weekly to accomadate new weapons or new abilities, not to even mention if I want to change ships and BO's which could change whenever. Charging me as much as you can get out of me for what should be in-game is an insult. So if you're in favor of being charged for what should be a service, that makes you either a liar or stupid, and I'm beginning to think this game has a lot of each.

    As people have already stated you can already get respecs in game through a variety of methods. The main one being 20k in merit. So you can argue that 20k is too expensive in merit but you cant argue that you have to pay real life money to respec.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I did read, and it didn't change anything. In SWG, I can respec anytime with an increasing amount of credits from in-game relating to the number of times I respec. I don't have to spend money for C-points, and I don't have to wait to earn a ridiculously high amount of merits, and I can change my build as I want when I want. So yes I did read, and yes you're a moron so why don't you send me 15 bucks while you're at it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    What a game strives to achieve and what it actually delivers is directly related to the tolerance of it's fanbase and what that fanbase will accept without question. In conclusion, merit this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ah quite yer whinin cully.

    This isnt SWG, this is STO and if you don't want to fork out real cash then just have a little bit of patience. :rolleyes:

    People these days..... their all.... gimme gimme gimme and now now now.

    :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Your argument is unclear. You also speak as if what you say has the backing of the fanbase. Now if your aguing that the merit cost is too high or that the merit cost should be replaced with credits then more power to you but do it without the bad attitude.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ubung wrote: »
    Your argument is unclear. You also speak as if what you say has the backing of the fanbase. Now if your aguing that the merit cost is too high or that the merit cost should be replaced with credits then more power to you but do it without the bad attitude.

    Why do you care if his attitude is "bad" in your opinion? Is Cryptic paying you? The "bad" attitude you claim from the OP is actually far more reserved and calm compared to what Cryptic really deserves.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    wrote:
    Your argument is unclear. You also speak as if what you say has the backing of the fanbase. Now if your aguing that the merit cost is too high or that the merit cost should be replaced with credits then more power to you but do it without the bad attitude.
    It appears he wants an SWG or WoW System where each Respec costs more but there's no limit to the number of Respecs you can make. Of course neither SWG or WoW give you automatic free Respecs simply for making the next Rank grade. Either way, though, I think the fan-base which wants to Respec weekly rather then at Rank grade is in the vast minority of players - especially considering that it's not exactly difficult to make a Rank grade in a week.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Word, you also get respecs as part of the veterans rewards, iirc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Salexander wrote:
    Why do you care if his attitude is "bad" in your opinion? Is Cryptic paying you? The "bad" attitude you claim from the OP is actually far more reserved and calm compared to what Cryptic really deserves.
    Making personal attacks such as calling someone a moron, a liar, or stupid is a violation of forum rules and subject to Infractions - as is insinuating that someone might be a paid company shill. If someone can't discuss an issue without making personal attacks they have no valid place on the forum.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Salexander wrote:
    Why do you care if his attitude is "bad" in your opinion? Is Cryptic paying you? The "bad" attitude you claim from the OP is actually far more reserved and calm compared to what Cryptic really deserves.

    Regardless of what Cryptic deserves on this forum your not allowed to name call, harass, troll, etc. Those are the rules, I was simply pointing out the attitude doesnt help his argument. I dont get where you see them paying me was from, I didnt even defend anything Cryptic has done. I actually said more power to the op for arguing they are too expensive which I agree they are.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    boyam wrote:
    I don't have to wait to earn a ridiculously high amount of merits.

    If you don't have 50-60k+ by the time you hit RA5, what did you do wrong? My Captain 6 has almost 50k merits, and I'm not that far into Cardassian territory.

    Oh, and I won't need a respec, so that's a crapton of merits and free respecs I won't even use.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    philibusted wrote: »
    Word, you also get respecs as part of the veterans rewards, iirc.

    That's what they said.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    boyam wrote:
    I did read, and it didn't change anything. In SWG, I can respec anytime with an increasing amount of credits from in-game relating to the number of times I respec. I don't have to spend money for C-points, and I don't have to wait to earn a ridiculously high amount of merits, and I can change my build as I want when I want. So yes I did read, and yes you're a moron so why don't you send me 15 bucks while you're at it.

    So you're saying that eventually, with SWGs respeccing costing more per respec, you would be paying far more in game currency (whatever that may be) for respecs in SWG than you would with the set cost in STO, and you're using that as an example of something better?

    Keep in mind i've never played SWG but the way you describe it seems like it would actually be far worse than the set cost in STO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Another post ignoring the free and Merit point respecs offered...is it Friday already? :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ah you're right Alex, my bad. But since you got so much cash to do as you like, mind giving me some? Can give you my address np, or better yet, why doesn't Cryptic change their system to where we can use our creds for respecs to match what we change to when we want to change? Either Cryptic employees are posting thinking their system is fair which it isn't, or quite possibly the dumbest peiople I've ever come across are posting that it's ok to throw money at Cryptic for whatever they throw at us. Financially speaking, there's no better way to get peeps to play SWG more now than by charging your fanbase for what should be in-game. It's a goddamn Sony conspiracy.

    But hey, you got the money, then you be dumb enuff. Don't expect the rest of us to be quiet tho.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    boyam wrote:
    Ah you're right Alex, my bad. But since you got so much cash to do as you like, mind giving me some? Can give you my address np, or better yet, why doesn't Cryptic change their system to where we can use our creds for respecs to match what we change to when we want to change? Either Cryptic employees are posting thinking their system is fair which it isn't, or quite possibly the dumbest peiople I've ever come across are posting that it's ok to throw money at Cryptic for whatever they throw at us. Financially speaking, there's no better way to get peeps to play SWG more now than by charging your fanbase for what should be in-game. It's a goddamn Sony conspiracy.

    But hey, you got the money, then you be dumb enuff. Don't expect the rest of us to be quiet tho.

    Seriously? You still don't understand that you don't have to spend a single dollar/euro/yen to respec in this game?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Salexander wrote:
    Why do you care if his attitude is "bad" in your opinion? Is Cryptic paying you? The "bad" attitude you claim from the OP is actually far more reserved and calm compared to what Cryptic really deserves.

    This is right to the point, While i do love this IP, i have lost faith in this game or Cryptic. They are taking one of the greatest IP's of all time and using it to make as much as they can before everyone wakes up and leaves.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    jedidethfreak wrote: »
    Seriously? You still don't understand that you don't have to spend a single dollar/euro/yen to respec in this game?

    His problem is he's not the average user like most others. He wants to be able to change specs every time he picks up a new weapon or some such. Unlike most others who will stick with a build for at least a whole rank (not grade). And on top of that he thinks he should be able to do it anytime for free (or a small amount of in-game credits).

    He doesn't care that there are a multitude of FREE ways to respec, all he sees is that he has to shell out real money when he runs out of the free options instead of changing the way he plays to fit the limits.

    Personally I've respec'd ONE time and I'm Capt 3. I use weapons and skills to fit MY build not fit my build to the weapons, etc I can find.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As for SWG, respecs are very simple. You can respec anytime, it costs creds, and the more you respec the more it costs. Fact is, you can earn the creds in-game in a day for what it costs to respec, and SWG builds are more static than STO so you don't respec as much as you do here. That's simple gameplay and customer service for a service provided. My experience with STO however is that I want to change my build weekly if not daily, and I've already spent a substantial amount of cash for what should be a service.

    So yeah, when I call you a moron for supporting this, then yeah you are, just as much as me for doling out the cash for it without saying anything.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    boyam wrote:
    As for SWG, respecs are very simple. You can respec anytime, it costs creds, and the more you respec the more it costs. Fact is, you can earn the creds in-game in a day for what it costs to respec, and SWG builds are more static than STO so you don't respec as much as you do here. That's simple gameplay and customer service for a service provided. My experience with STO however is that I want to change my build weekly if not daily, and I've already spent a substantial amount of cash for what should be a service.

    So yeah, when I call you a moron for supporting this, then yeah you are, just as much as me for doling out the cash for it without saying anything.

    Good for you, my experience is that i've only had to respec once. I can support it all i want, it's not going to be something i'll ever have to pay for. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ok, let's make it available for credits...say, $1 million. Would that be ok?

    Yeah, let's finally give people some incentive to buy from gold spammers. /sarcasm
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    20k merits for a respec = blatant attempt to get people to just shell out for the C-store respec.

    respecs should be 5k merits MAX.

    godamn craptyk.

    20k is pretty easy to grind out at RA5. The only level where you need this since prior to that, you can just level up for a free one.
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